Ryan Gill ([info]montieth) wrote in [info]atlanta,

College Student kills home invader.

College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Posted: 4:53 pm EDT May 4, 2009Updated: 6:41 pm EDT May 4, 2009


COLLEGE PARK, Ga. -- A group of college students said they are lucky to be alive and they’re thanking the quick-thinking of one of their own. Police said a fellow student shot and killed one of two masked me who burst into an apartment.

Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Jones met with one of the students to talk about the incident.
“Apparently, his intent was to rape and murder us all,” said student Charles Bailey.
TOM JONES: College Student Shoots, Kills Home Invader
Bailey said he thought it was the end of his life and the lives of the 10 people inside his apartment for a birthday party after two masked men with guns burst in through a patio door.
“They just came in and separated the men from the women and said, ‘Give me your wallets and cell phones,’” said George Williams of the College Park Police Department.
Bailey said the gunmen started counting bullets. “The other guy asked how many (bullets) he had. He said he had enough,” said Bailey.
That’s when one student grabbed a gun out of a backpack and shot at the invader who was watching the men. The gunman ran out of the apartment.
The student then ran to the room where the second gunman, identified by police as 23-year-old Calvin Lavant, was holding the women.
“Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend. So he told the girls to get down and he started shooting. The guy jumped out of the window,” said Bailey.
A neighbor heard the shots and heard someone running nearby.
“And I heard someone say, ‘Someone help me. Call the police. Somebody call the police,’” said a neighbor.
The neighbor said she believes it was Lavant, who was found dead near his apartment, only one building away.
Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive.
“I think all of us are really cognizant of the fact that we could have all been killed,” said Bailey.
One female student was shot several times during the crossfire. She is expected to make a full recovery.
Police said they are close to making the arrest of the second suspect.


So, we hear this continuing mantra that college students can't be trusted with guns on campus. Here's an example where a student defends himself and others, hits what he's aiming at AND plants one of the criminals. You'll note that the 'simple robbery' was going to devolve into a rape multiple homicide. The implied threats of the criminals AND their behavior pointed at a clear intent to do MORE than just take property under threat of deadly force. They were going to take liberties with the women and likely kill the rest.

The next time someone tells you that a student shouldn't be able to defend themselves on a campus circle back to THIS incident.

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[info]pkbarbiedoll

May 6 2009, 13:21:55 UTC 3 years ago

wow. where did this happen in College Park? what school did the students attend?

[info]noelleleithe

May 6 2009, 13:33:07 UTC 3 years ago

Except the part where this didn't happen on a college campus. Not arguing the point, just noting that the story doesn't fit your premise.

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[info]montieth

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[info]unix_jedi

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[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 14:13:19 UTC 3 years ago

Right. If it'd happened on a college campus, the Student in question would have committed a felony in saving his and his friends lives.

The point I'm making is that a lot of people contend that college students aren't responsible enough to possess/own firearms. Yet, they seem to utterly ignore equal protection under the law issues and the fact that if you're of a certain age, it doesn't matter if you're in college or not. You have or should have the same rights as everyone else.

I don't suppose people would be comfortable with the contention that College students shouldn't be allowed to vote since they're not responsible enough.

[info]unix_jedi

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[info]montieth

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[info]xochitl

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[info]montieth

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[info]xochitl

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[info]wanderingastray

May 6 2009, 14:11:37 UTC 3 years ago

agreed. Banning guns will only ensure that only criminals have them.

[info]aerialmelodies

May 6 2009, 14:24:55 UTC 3 years ago

I think the key point here is that the student obviously knew how to handle the gun as well as the ability to stay calm (at least I can infer that considering in a few select shots he nailed one robber and scared off another). I'm not against gun-ownership by any means, but I do feel that knowledge of how to use the gun along with practice at firing ranges would be of great use. Buying a gun - student or not - then keeping it in your drawer for protection and never taking a class or practice doesn't do you much good unless luck or close proximity are on your side. I'm glad this student had gun smarts - I'd be scared to think of the damage if he hadn't considering how many people were in that apartment.

I do see what you're saying, but mentioning that the student clearly took the time to take a course or put in hours at a shooting range would probably help the "responsible owner" case. Based on what I'm inferring from between the lines, of course. That kid could've just had major, major luck on his side, but I'm doubtful. :)

[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 14:42:34 UTC 3 years ago

I think the key point here is that the student obviously knew how to handle the gun as well as the ability to stay calm (at least I can infer that considering in a few select shots he nailed one robber and scared off another). I'm not against gun-ownership by any means, but I do feel that knowledge of how to use the gun along with practice at firing ranges would be of great use. Buying a gun - student or not - then keeping it in your drawer for protection and never taking a class or practice doesn't do you much good unless luck or close proximity are on your side. I'm glad this student had gun smarts - I'd be scared to think of the damage if he hadn't considering how many people were in that apartment.

The way the law is articulated now, you could be a master weapons instructor for the Army on reserve status for college and be legally barred from carrying a firearm. The problem is that regardless of your training or license status, students are legally barred from possessing arms on campus.

And it legally bars them from transporting to/through campus. Building includes parking deck. Walk around the tech campus at night. Heck walk into/out of Ga State at night. How safe is that area? What's worse is that I could be in technical violation if I'm driving my car down Marietta St, get a flat, pull to the side of the road and step too far onto the sidewalk while carrying. The same could happen to someone choosing to rent a room in the Ga Tech Hotel off of Spring street. Register in one hotel for a stay overnight you're a felon, register in another you're perfectly legal.

The blanket "no guns on campus" law is perfidious and over broad.

[info]profundis

May 6 2009, 14:31:05 UTC 3 years ago Edited:  May 6 2009, 14:36:09 UTC

I can't remember where I saw this first (or if you posted it) but <a href="http://www.calgunlaws.com/index.php/articles-memoranda-and-commentary/78-commentary/418.html>this article</a> would seem to bolster the idea that since criminals have guns and don't care about gun laws, the gun laws serve more to make it harder for good people to protect themselves and others. Guns can be scary, like fire and liberty, but its how they are used that makes them good or bad.

[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 14:37:06 UTC 3 years ago

I think in Georgia, considering it's a felony to possess a firearm on a campus, if you have ANY sorts of crimes with those (say armed robbery) then it's pretty much a given that the criminals don't abide by the legally constructed no-guns zone.

[info]nadalia

May 6 2009, 14:39:15 UTC 3 years ago

"Guns can be scary, like fire and liberty, but its how they are used that makes them good or bad."

GENIUS!

[info]rick_day

May 6 2009, 14:35:49 UTC 3 years ago

this is what happens when people are not mandated training in firearms use.

and, of course, there was this

http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/atlanta/stories/2009/05/05/atlanta_carjacking.html

Tech student critical after carjacking, shooting
Tuesday, May 05, 2009

A Georgia Tech student shot during a carjacking remained in critical condition at Grady Memorial Hospital’s intensive care unit early Wednesday, hospital officials said.

Patrick Whaley, 22, was shot and two other people robbed during a carjacking at an off-campus apartment complex.

Whaley was shot once in the lower back Monday night as he and two other people walked out of the Tivoli Tenside Apartments at 1000 Northside Dr., according to police reports. The apartment complex is near Georgia Tech, where Whaley studies mechanical engineering.

[info]puzzleoflight

May 6 2009, 15:40:37 UTC 3 years ago

Re: this is what happens when people are not mandated training in firearms use.

I was going to bring this up as well. There has been a huge increase in crime on and around GA Tech campus in the last few months. This was the first actual injury that's resulted, but I've lost count of the number of people who have been assaulted or robbed on Tech campus and surrounding areas like Tech Square in the last couple of weeks. It may just be coincidence, but it seems like a lot of criminals are targeting students these days.

[info]zamiel

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[info]nadalia

May 6 2009, 14:36:23 UTC 3 years ago

I would like to buy Charles Bailey a beer! He has my support.

[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 14:42:58 UTC 3 years ago

Buy him more ammo. It's worth more right now. ;-)

[info]nadalia

May 6 2009, 14:54:10 UTC 3 years ago

True! Wonder if I can find him with my Google-fu....

[info]nadalia

May 6 2009, 14:59:36 UTC 3 years ago

Oh, wait - "Bailey said he is just thankful one student risked his life to keep others alive."

I need to find the guy who did the actual protecting, not just the guy the news talked to.

[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 15:14:21 UTC 3 years ago

Probably better that they didn't publish his particulars. Likely any thugs in the co-employ of the dead goblin might seek out the shooter for a bit of additional fun and games.

[info]nadalia

3 years ago

[info]itealaich

May 6 2009, 16:01:03 UTC 3 years ago

Am I the only person wondering wtf the guy was doing with a gun in a backpack?

[info]unix_jedi

May 6 2009, 16:09:23 UTC 3 years ago

No, but he was young. Or he might have been in a bathing suit or something.

But he'll learn and get some good IWB I think very shortly.

[info]montieth

May 6 2009, 16:11:03 UTC 3 years ago

Not a bad place to store/carry one if you need to. Not a great place but still.

[info]itealaich

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[info]thies

May 6 2009, 16:34:35 UTC 3 years ago

only if it comes with the requirement of having undergone sufficient training. I can think of enough situations where I'd be more worried about some tripped up trigger happy kid than the actual criminal.

[info]idav5d

May 7 2009, 00:54:49 UTC 3 years ago

a crying shame...

It's apparent he needs more training... I mean, he failed properly ventilate the second robber.

[info]arseaboutface

May 9 2009, 04:42:37 UTC 3 years ago

"Apparently the guy was getting ready to rape his girlfriend." Whose girlfriend? How was he going to keep the other women in the room under control while in the midst of this rape? Why is the fact that a student was shot in the crossfire buried at the bottom of the article? Where the hell were the editors? This article is terrible.

[info]montieth

May 9 2009, 15:43:37 UTC 3 years ago

Bear in mind that naming all of the witnesses when there's still a violent felon out there (who may or may not have friends) is NOT a good idea. Naming the near rape victim is ALSO not a good idea. I'm surprised they named one of the people at the party. Apparently, the deceased thug lived in the same apartment complex just a few buildings over (look at the news video).

The student wounded is a far sight better than a room full of people shot and killed. The perps made specific mention of their intent to kill them all, "Got enough bullets?" After that, one cannot complain about the one armed student's response, at all.

Don't underestimate the fear that people will have which will either drive them to action or worse, when confronted with deadly force where they have nothing to match it, drive them to total compliance. Don't understand that? Explain why millions of people compliantly allowed themselves to be herded into cattle cars to be sent off to their deaths.

[info]arseaboutface

May 10 2009, 02:10:36 UTC 3 years ago

You fail to answer an important question, to wit: why is this article so terrible?

[info]montieth

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